{"id":238,"date":"2022-12-19T14:24:11","date_gmt":"2022-12-19T22:24:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/historyguy.com\/comicshistory\/superheroreviews\/?p=238"},"modified":"2022-12-19T14:24:11","modified_gmt":"2022-12-19T22:24:11","slug":"when-spider-man-met-the-avengers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/historyguy.com\/comicshistory\/superheroreviews\/when-spider-man-met-the-avengers\/","title":{"rendered":"When Spider-Man Met the Avengers"},"content":{"rendered":"

When Spider-Man Met the Avengers.<\/strong><\/h1>\n

Or Did He?\u00a0 A Look at Spider-Man’s First Adventure with the Avengers<\/strong><\/h2>\n

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Let us now look at Marvel’s Silver Age History to see when Spider-Man first met the Avengers team in the comics. The answer is not as clear as one would think…<\/span><\/p>\n

Avengers<\/span><\/i> #11 (1964) made itself out to be a significant issue in Marvel Silver Age History.\u00a0 After all, the cover showed the Amazing Spider-Man meeting the Mighty Avengers, right? \u00a0 On the cover the reader sees Spidey, along with Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Giant-Man all trapped in a spider’s web.\u00a0 The Wasp is seen flying around, clearly not trapped like the male Avengers.\u00a0 Now, what is wrong with this cover?\u00a0 Aren’t Spidey and the Avengers all on the same side?\u00a0 Why does it look like Spider-Man is the bad guy? \u00a0 Writer Stan Lee and artist Don Heck (and perhaps a Spidey assist from Steve Ditko) crafted a neat package to entice fans of Spider-Man to pick up this eleventh book in the fairly new Avengers series.<\/span><\/p>\n

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NOTE: If you are not familiar with the events of Avengers #11, be warned that we have SPOILERS below…<\/span><\/p>\n

To make a long story short, with the Avengers believing that Tony Stark was dead, and assuming Iron Man was out looking for the killer, the team decides to carry on, placing Iron Man on temporary leave of absence. (NOTE:\u00a0 Despite appearing on the cover, Iron Man is not seen in this comic at all). Meanwhile, we see the Avengers’ time-travelling foe, Kang, cooking up a plot to destroy the Avengers.\u00a0 He creates a “Spider-Man robot” to impersonate old Spidey and trick the Avengers into a trap.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Robot Spidey convinces the Avengers that he wants to join them, and, he has information on the whereabouts of Iron Man.\u00a0 Claiming that he overheard the Masters of Evil discussing their destination, a temple in Mexico, Robot Spidey tricks the Avengers into going to Mexico.\u00a0 Falling for the trick, the Avengers all head off to Mexico to look for Iron Man.<\/span><\/p>\n

Kang transports his Spider-Man robot to Mexico, where he battles the Avengers separately, defeating and trapping them all.\u00a0 Then, suddenly, the real Spider-Man shows up, saving Captain America from certain death.\u00a0 Wait…how did the real Spider-Man even know about this plot?\u00a0 Real Spidey explains that by saying, “Did you think you could prowl the streets of New York impersonating <\/span>me<\/b> without my own Spider-Sense warning me of your presence??”\u00a0 Ok, that part more or less makes sense from a plot standpoint.\u00a0 But just HOW did Spider-Man (who cannot fly, and does not have anything like a Spidey-Plane at his beck and call), even manage to get to this temple in Mexico?\u00a0 That is never explained in-story, (nor is it explained how he got back to New York afterwards), and is a continuing mystery.\u00a0 We have a few theories on that below.\u00a0 But in the meantime, all we need to know now is that the real Spider-Man defeated the impersonating robot (by finding the “main control stud,” and deactivating the robot.\u00a0 Of course, that was a snap for a teen-aged chemistry nerd who has never met a robot from the 30th Century before).<\/span><\/p>\n

The last we see in-story of the real Spidey, he is seen by Captain America as he floats to earth in a web-parachute after dispatching the robot. \u00a0 Based on what we see in the artwork of Avengers #11, it is clear that from what is visible, the real Spider-Man never actually met or fought alongside, the Avengers.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

This comic book was not Stan Lee’s greatest storyline, that is for sure.\u00a0 While the basic idea is sound (Kang sending robots to fight the Avengers), too many details are left up in the air.\u00a0 How does the real Spidey get down to Mexico?\u00a0 In-story, we see three of the Avengers hop airline flights to Mexico.\u00a0 Could Spidey have done that as well, perhaps sneaking on board and then web-parachuting down to the temple?\u00a0 It is unlikely he could have purchased an actual airline ticket, as Peter Parker was constantly short of money back then.\u00a0 But as the two Spideys start to fight, the real one states that “I followed you silently, waiting to learn what your scheme was!” This statement implies that Spider-Man actually followed the robot.\u00a0 That sounds like it takes out the hop-an-airplane theory.\u00a0 Another possibility is that real Spidey was close enough to the robot in New York when Kang teleported the mechanical Spidey to Mexico that he was also transported via Kang’s science.\u00a0 But wouldn’t Kang have noticed an extra Spider-Man being sent by his teleporter?\u00a0 You would think so.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

That leaves us with one crazy( or maybe more than one) theory.\u00a0 First, a little more information on our robot friend.\u00a0 Since the Avengers seemingly never found him in the jungle where he fell, he was able to make another appearance in a later comic book.\u00a0 The Spider-Man Robot (know called Timespinner) enjoyed a second appearance in <\/span>Spider-Man Team-Up<\/span><\/i> #4 (Sept. 1996). In this issue, the robot has new powers (his webs emit a temporal energy that can make people trapped inside the web age quickly), and is operating on Kang’s back-up or secondary programming.\u00a0 Needless to say, the robot is still a villain.\u00a0 But, as with Kang himself and his many incarnations (he is also Immortus, Scarlet Centurion, Pharaoh Rama-Tut, Iron Lad, Tom Brady (just kidding on that last one..I think), why can’t the robot also have different time-travelling versions?\u00a0 It is just possible (this is my personal theory, mind you) that the “real” Spider-Man in <\/span>Avengers<\/span><\/i> #11 was just another version of the original robot, now a good guy, who was able to travel back in time to save the Avengers from himself?\u00a0 Kind of “good Terminator\/bad Terminator” scenario.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Helping this crazy theory is the fact that when the real Spider-Man (Peter Parker) is first offered membership in the Avengers (<\/span>Amazing Spider-Man Annual <\/span><\/i>#3 (1966), no reference is made by Spidey to having saved the Avengers only a short time earlier.\u00a0 Especially since, in this Spidey Annual, the Avengers want to put Spidey to a test to see if he is truly worthy of joining the Avengers.\u00a0 Why didn’t Spidey say something like, “Hey, I saved you guys down in Mexico from that crazy robot a few months ago.\u00a0 What do you mean I need to take a test?”\u00a0 If real Spidey had been down in Mexico, you would think he would reference that little bit of Avengers-saving heroics.\u00a0 But, oddly, the Avengers who were in Mexico (Cap, Thor, Giant-Man\/Goliath, and Wasp), never make reference to that incident either.\u00a0 What gives?\u00a0 A possible explanation for that, is that the whole Kang-teleports-his-robot process created some sort of temporal anomaly (yes, I borrowed that phrase from Star Trek!) that wiped out everyone’s memories of that day in Mexico.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Or, Stan Lee, the writer of both Spidey\/Avengers stories mentioned here, just has a bad memory, and\/or was a sloppy writer at times.\u00a0 I like the time-space distortion theory and the “Spidey-Robot comes back to save the day” theories myself.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Either way, it is clear that while Avengers #11 is often referred to as the first Spider-Man crossover, in reality, that designation should really go to <\/span>Amazing Spider-Man Annual <\/span><\/i>#3.<\/span><\/p>\n

What thinkst thou, oh, Spidey\/Avengers Fans?\u00a0 Please feel free to comment below.<\/span><\/p>\n

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With the news that Spider-Man will join the Marvel Movie Universe, the question arises of just when DID Spidey first meet the Avengers? The answer is not as easy as you might think..<\/span><\/p>\n

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